I think Dave has shut it down.

He has a new majordomo group, but as you have to subscribe, even just to
browse, I decided to use the group at avrfreaks.net

May pay to post there also Ben.
or to the bascom group even.

Ben Hitchcock wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just tried sending this to avr@yahoogroups.com, and got the following
> message:
> 
> > Your message was not delivered because it was sent to an
> > announcement-only group, where only the moderator may post.
> 
> Hmmm... Anyway, hopefully someone on the simmstick list might know how to
> help me!
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has some experience with AVR's and LCD's, and
> > can shed some light on the following problem:
> >
> > I am currently helping to build a small formula style racecar, and one of
> > the things I wanted to do was to get an AVR to figure out what RPM the
> > engine is doing, and display that on a 20 x 2 LCD.
> >
> > Figuring out the RPM was easy, and so was displaying the result on a
> > parallel LCD.  My problem is that occasionally the LCD will go into a mode
> > where the command to move the cursor displays a weird symbol on the
> > screen and the cursor simply increments, instead of moving to the proper
> > position.  Both the 'home' and 'move to x position' command do this.  All
> > the text still displays fine, but the position of the text is very wrong.
> >
> > Switching off the power and waiting a bit before turning the power back on
> > usually fixes the problem, but I was wondering if anyone else has had this
> > problem, and can tell me what it is that I'm doing wrong.
> >
> > Power is provided from a 12V car battery, and goes through a 5V
> > regulator.  After seeing these problems, I put a 22 ohm resistor in series
> > with the power pin on the AVR (AT90S1200), and a 3.3 uF tantalum between
> > the power pin and ground.  This didn't help.  I then tried all manner of
> > things including connecting the LCD power pin to the 'clean' 5V supply,
> > the raw 5V supply, even the reset pin of the AVR (with a 150 Ohm resistor
> > to +5V, and another 3.3uF tantalum to ground to filter the signal).
> >
> > Nothing works.  When the LCD is in the 'greek' mode, the AVR is
> > functioning perfectly - the RPM get displayed properly,but the position of
> > the text wanders around the screen, butting up against the next version of
> > the text.
> >
> > Has anyone else had similar problems?  Could it be that I'm using a
> > resonator instead of a crystal?  I'm using a 4 MHz resonator, with a 16
> > MHz AT90S1200.
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas,
> >
> > Ben Hitchcock
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Just got this message from Lenny Gray:

Subject: 16F628 is _not_ "pin-for-pin" compatible with 16F84
   Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:00:59 -0700
   From: Lenny Gray <lenny@
     To: don@d...

Greetings,

It seems that quite a number of things are different, which I'm
just finding out about, one step at a time.  First, the RC based
oscillator is gone, though it has other nice oscillator modes
instead.  Second, the config bits are different, including those
that specify the oscillator.  Next, it was pointed out to me that
available RAM registers on the '84 start at 0Ch, whereas on the 
'628 they start at 20h.

As I was enticed into the realm by your web-page, ordered one,
_did_ check the specs but clearly _not_ word-for-word, and just
plugged it into my otherwise working 16f84 circuit (and voila, it
isn't even close to working), I'd say your "pin for pin" statement
is misleading to the point of being counterproductive.

I recommend you change your promo of it to:

"What has twice the memory of a PIC16F84, a real Uart, flash, and 
is _SOMEWHAT_ pin for pin compatible, and around the same price? 
The PIC16F628-20-P  In stock now. Check the Specs."

That might be a sufficient heads-up warning.

- Lenny Gray -

+++++++++++++++++++++++

I thanked Lenny for this and got his approval to post the message.
I also edited my pages to be more imformative about the 628.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

here is a little follow up:

No problem.  I'll keep you updated.  I've made a bit of progress, 
in that I've gotten the config close enough that it at least 
blinks my lights.  But it's running at a wrong speed, and has
RB4 seemingly acting as an input even though I'm setting it to
be an output.

I may, though, if it all doesn't fall into place, choose to put 
this research on "hold", as my project with the '84 is interesting
enough and has enough challenges.  8)
- Lenny -

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5-May-2001 
Congratulations  to Marcel Damhuis of the Netherlands for being the
500,000th visitor to the Dontronics site. 
He sent us a jpg of the counter, so he got his order for free! 

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10-May-2001 
SimmBuss BreadBoard and Experimenter PCB. This project describes an
experimenter’s breadboard platform for developing projects or
experiments using SimmSticks in conjunction with PIC or ATMEL micros.
The board connects to one of the SimmStick motherboards or programmers. 
http://www.dontronics.com/sbbb.html 

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I see Jameco in the US have dual simm sockets. does anyone know why the
catalog number is in red?
http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdCT/p060.pdf

Cheers Don...

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Don,

The red numbers are "new" products for the catalog. IIRC
Jameco dropped the duals, then re-added them. (thus they are
"new")

The blue numbers indicate limited availability.

The black numbers are regular price.

The blurry numbers indicate too much beer.

Cheers!
-Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don McKenzie [mailto:don@d...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:39 AM
> To: SimmStick Group
> Subject: [simmstick]
> http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdCT/p060.pdf
>
>
>
> I see Jameco in the US have dual simm sockets.
> does anyone know why the
> catalog number is in red?
> http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdCT/p060.pdf
>
> Cheers Don...
>
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Usually, it means a discontiued part. They'll sell what they have, but won't
have it after existing stock is sold. I bought some of the sockets a couple
years ago when they said it was a "close-out".

Ted

Don McKenzie wrote:

> I see Jameco in the US have dual simm sockets. does anyone know why the
> catalog number is in red?
> http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdCT/p060.pdf
>
> Cheers Don...
>
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Nope, Ted. In this case it indicates a new product. I have
the catalog open in front of me.

"Part No. in Red Denotes a New Item in our Catalog.

Part No. in Blue Act Fast! Limited Quantities Available.

Items with a Star Available through your local
JIM-PAKRretailer."

-Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Melton [mailto:trm@v...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:27 AM
> To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [simmstick]
> http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdCT/p060.pdf
>
>
> Usually, it means a discontiued part. They'll
> sell what they have, but won't
> have it after existing stock is sold. I bought
> some of the sockets a couple
> years ago when they said it was a "close-out".
>
> Ted
>
> Don McKenzie wrote:
>
> > I see Jameco in the US have dual simm sockets.
> does anyone know why the
> > catalog number is in red?
> > http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdCT/p060.pdf
> >
> > Cheers Don...
> >
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R Severson wrote:
> Don,
> The red numbers are "new" products for the catalog. IIRC
> Jameco dropped the duals, then re-added them. (thus they are
> "new")
> The blue numbers indicate limited availability.
> The black numbers are regular price.
> The blurry numbers indicate too much beer.
> Cheers!
> -Rob

thanks Rob,
I just got a message back from their sales dept also.
As indicated, on the front inside cover. They are new!
I have the blurry ones too, they said they couldn't see them. :-)

Does this mean we are making an impact?

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R Severson wrote:
> 
> Nope, Ted. In this case it indicates a new product. I have
> the catalog open in front of me.
> 
> "Part No. in Red Denotes a New Item in our Catalog.
> 
> Part No. in Blue Act Fast! Limited Quantities Available.
============================================================
I just went over some old ground and found that these don't seem to be
of good quality, unless the new ones have changed. See below:
You can get some very bad sockets. Don...
========================================================

Subject:             RE: simm sockets
  Resent-From:  sisuser@
        Date:     Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:47:31 -0700
        From:     BPuckett@ spam suppressed

I got them from Jameco (www.jameco.com) part #100301 (single) or #72531
(dual). Get the singles even though they are 
more expensive.  The duals are only .19 but are a straight vertical
insertion.  The singles at .75 (quantity 10) are vertical, but use 
the slide it in and snap in place zif style insertion.
Bob
=================================================================
Subject:              RE: simm sockets
 Resent-Date:      Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:38:27 -0400
 Resent-From:    sisuser@
          From:       Ben Wirz <ben@w...>

Hi Guys,

I agree with Bob that the Dual SimmSockets from Jameco are poor
qualtity. DigiKey, Mouser, and all the surplus houses seem 
to have a good selection of the sockets. You want to get the ones with
metal latches and make sure they are straight and not 
angled ones.  One problem is that the qualtity seems to vary widely so
its best to order a few to start with and more if they look 
good.
Ben
====================================================================
Subject:           [simmstick] Re: Commercial 30-pin Sockets
     Date:           Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:21:05 -0800
     From:           "Steve Nordhauser" <nords@i...>
 Reply-To:           simmstick@e...

Jameco sells them
www.jameco.com
1-800-831-4242
part number 100301   $0.79ea    10@$0.65
-Steve
=======================================================

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Codevision Announcement 17-May-2001
It is my pleasure to announce a considerable price reduction for the 1
year update & tech support period extension. The new price is only
$45USD for the Light version and $75USD for the Standard version. Kind
regards Pavel Haiduc
http://www.dontronics.com/cat_soft_avr_cvavr.html

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Hello Everyone,

Wirz Electronics, Inc. is proud to announce that the eagerly awaited Stamp 
Stick 2SX is now available.  Stamp Stick 2SX is Parallax, Inc. BASIC Stamp 
Two SX compatible Single Board Computer. It utilizes a genuine Parallax, 
Inc. BASIC Stamp Interpreter IC and it is fully SimmStick compatible.  The 
board comes completely assembled and tested.  Do to its Surface Mount 
construction, it has a *large* "Sea of Holes" prototyping area for adding 
your own circuitry.

http://www.wirz.com/products/0227/index.html

The Stamp Stick 2SX is the complement to the Stamp Stick One which is a 
Basic Stamp One compatible SimmStick board offering a lower price with 
reduced processing power and power consumption.

http://www.wirz.com/products/0213/index.html

In the near future, we will also be releasing a Simm Bread Board back plane 
and bread board system.  The board will offer the following features:

* Bread Board Prototyping Area (3.25" x 2.25")
* Four SimmSocket Bus
* Two 1x30 Female SimmSocket for connecting bread board wires
* A few prototyping components such as LED's and switches.
* The board mounts on top of a  4.7"x4.7" by 2.2" deep plastic enclosure 
(Black)
* A 5V power supply, DB-9 + RS232, and a Reset Switch.  A jumper header is 
also provided so that RS232 and power can be configured as needed for the 
different boards.
*  A programming header for the Kanda AVR Programmer, a PICmicro 5 pin ISP 
connector, and a Scenix SX-KEY / SX-Blitz connector.

The Stamp Stick 2SX is available directly from Wirz Electronics and the 
following distributors:

Chip Sources    http://www.chip-sources.com
Dontronics      http://www.dontronics.com/
Lawicel http://www.lawicel.com/

Sincerely,

Ben Wirz
Wirz Electronics, Inc.

22-May-2001
The Basic Stamp Two is now available on a SimmStick platform.
http://www.dontronics.com/stampstick2.html

so is the Basic Stamp One:
http://www.dontronics.com/stampstick.html

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released 7-Jun-2001 
Full Source Code for a Basic Stamp One Compatible. Roll your own. 
Basic Stamp® is a registered trademark of Parallax Inc. 
http://www.dontronics.com/simplesqrd.html 

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I am trying to get a program loaded into a PIC16F628, but it just 
won't go!  Is this chip program compatible with the 16F84? (Other 
than the config word).  My hardware has been proven on 16F84's. I am 
using a DT001 programmer from Dontronics, and Picprog877 by Nigel 
Goodwin. 

These chips come pre-configured in low voltage mode,  does this 
exclude them from the usuall high voltage programming ?

The symptoms are the programming fails at the first byte/line. If I 
read the contents of the PIC I get all 3FF.


Any tips would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Mal.

mabyrne@b... wrote:
> 
> I am trying to get a program loaded into a PIC16F628, but it just
> won't go!  Is this chip program compatible with the 16F84? (Other
> than the config word).  My hardware has been proven on 16F84's. I am
> using a DT001 programmer from Dontronics, and Picprog877 by Nigel
> Goodwin.
> 
> These chips come pre-configured in low voltage mode,  does this
> exclude them from the usuall high voltage programming ?
> 
> The symptoms are the programming fails at the first byte/line. If I
> read the contents of the PIC I get all 3FF.
> 
> Any tips would be appreciated.

I believe the programming algorithm is completely different for the 628

try the demo at:
http://www.dontronics.com/p16pro.html

I tried Nigel's page, but it appears to be under heavy construction
right now, as I couldn't get much more than a search engine to nowhere.

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mabyrne@b... wrote:
> 
> I am trying to get a program loaded into a PIC16F628, but it just
> won't go!  Is this chip program compatible with the 16F84? (Other
> than the config word).  My hardware has been proven on 16F84's. I am
> using a DT001 programmer from Dontronics, and Picprog877 by Nigel
> Goodwin.
> 
> These chips come pre-configured in low voltage mode,  does this
> exclude them from the usuall high voltage programming ?
> 
> The symptoms are the programming fails at the first byte/line. If I
> read the contents of the PIC I get all 3FF.

Aha!

Nigel's site is a netscape problem, works fine with Explorer.
yes he has the 628 there, which I thought he had mentioned to me
(getting old), but give the p16pro demo a try, it will burn 256 bytes
only, but it will prove your programmer for suitability for the 628.


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there are messages about 628 programming on the piclist now that may
help:
http://www.infosite.com/%7Ejkeyzer/piclist/

you willl need to use the username piclist and password piclist to get
to them.

here is one of interest:
http://www.infosite.com/%7Ejkeyzer/piclist/2001/Jun/0878.html

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In message <3B214B33.85910087@d...>, Don McKenzie
<don@d...> writes
>I believe the programming algorithm is completely different for the 628
>
>try the demo at:
>http://www.dontronics.com/p16pro.html
>
>I tried Nigel's page, but it appears to be under heavy construction
>right now, as I couldn't get much more than a search engine to nowhere.

Hi Don,

There's no construction work going on at the moment, it must just have
been a busy time, or my ISP may have been having problems - they had the
news servers go down the other day!.

The later version of my software programmes the 16F628, although it
doesn't offer all the fuse settings yet - the next version will do so.
-- 

Nigel.

        /--------------------------------------------------------------\
        | Nigel Goodwin   | Internet : nigelg@l...           |
        | Lower Pilsley   | Web Page : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk       |
        | Chesterfield    | Official site for Shin Ki and New Spirit   |
        | England         |                 Ju Jitsu                   |
        \--------------------------------------------------------------/

In message <3B214FF0.DA217BBF@d...>, Don McKenzie
<don@d...> writes
>Aha!
>
>Nigel's site is a netscape problem, works fine with Explorer.
>yes he has the 628 there, which I thought he had mentioned to me
>(getting old), but give the p16pro demo a try, it will burn 256 bytes
>only, but it will prove your programmer for suitability for the 628.

Hi Don,

Have you any idea what Netscape doesn't like? - I'm not using anything
special, the only thing I can think of is the use of 'Include Bots' to
add the menu, header, and footer - but as my ISP doesn't provide
Frontpage Extensions they are simply used to add the parts to the pages
before uploading.
-- 

Nigel.

        /--------------------------------------------------------------\
        | Nigel Goodwin   | Internet : nigelg@l...           |
        | Lower Pilsley   | Web Page : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk       |
        | Chesterfield    | Official site for Shin Ki and New Spirit   |
        | England         |                 Ju Jitsu                   |
        \--------------------------------------------------------------/

Nigel Goodwin wrote:
> 
> Hi Don,
> 
> Have you any idea what Netscape doesn't like? - I'm not using anything
> special, the only thing I can think of is the use of 'Include Bots' to
> add the menu, header, and footer - but as my ISP doesn't provide
> Frontpage Extensions they are simply used to add the parts to the pages
> before uploading.

Sorry I can't pinpoint it Nigel, perhaps one of the members can.

all I am getting is:
Nigel's Menu     Nigel Goodwin's Website   Search

all on one line at the top of the page, and nothing else. I'm using
netscape 4.76
It shows up fine with IE.

Don...                                                             

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In message <3B21D6E9.7331D3F6@d...>, Don McKenzie
<don@d...> writes
>Sorry I can't pinpoint it Nigel, perhaps one of the members can.
>
>all I am getting is:
>Nigel's Menu     Nigel Goodwin's Website   Search
>
>all on one line at the top of the page, and nothing else. I'm using
>netscape 4.76
>It shows up fine with IE.

Thanks Don, I'll try installing Netscape and see what happens :-).
-- 

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        /--------------------------------------------------------------\
        | Nigel Goodwin   | Internet : nigelg@l...           |
        | Lower Pilsley   | Web Page : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk       |
        | Chesterfield    | Official site for Shin Ki and New Spirit   |
        | England         |                 Ju Jitsu                   |
        \--------------------------------------------------------------/

In message <3B21D6E9.7331D3F6@d...>, Don McKenzie
<don@d...> writes
>Sorry I can't pinpoint it Nigel, perhaps one of the members can.
>
>all I am getting is:
>Nigel's Menu     Nigel Goodwin's Website   Search
>
>all on one line at the top of the page, and nothing else. I'm using
>netscape 4.76
>It shows up fine with IE.

I've installed Netscape (both 6.01 and 4.7), with 6.01 it works fine,
but with 4.7 it just displays the header like you said :-(.

I've been trying to find out why, and it appears to be the search form I
use, from Atomz.com - I've e-mailed them to see if they can offer any
suggestions.
-- 

Nigel.

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Nigel Goodwin wrote:
> I've installed Netscape (both 6.01 and 4.7), with 6.01 it works fine,
> but with 4.7 it just displays the header like you said :-(.
> 
> I've been trying to find out why, and it appears to be the search form I
> use, from Atomz.com - I've e-mailed them to see if they can offer any
> suggestions.

I use atomz also, but you may be battling to get a reasonable answer.
Mind you, I don't use it in a table.

What I did was go into 4.76, open your page, edit it with the inbuilt
netscape composer, simply put a space as the first chr, then removed it,
and saved it to my hard drive, and it appeared fine.

So it's in the formatting.

Don McKenzie    mailto:don@d...      http://www.dontronics.com

The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR  & PICmicro Hardware and Software
Free Basic Compiler and Programmer http://www.dontronics.com/runavr.html
The Little "rAVeR!" AVR & Basic Kit http://www.dontronics.com/dt006.html

In message <3B2287A0.33201064@d...>, Don McKenzie
<don@d...> writes
>
>Nigel Goodwin wrote:
>> I've installed Netscape (both 6.01 and 4.7), with 6.01 it works fine,
>> but with 4.7 it just displays the header like you said :-(.
>> 
>> I've been trying to find out why, and it appears to be the search form I
>> use, from Atomz.com - I've e-mailed them to see if they can offer any
>> suggestions.
>
>I use atomz also, but you may be battling to get a reasonable answer.
>Mind you, I don't use it in a table.

Hi Don,

I e-mailed Atomz on Saturday night, and got a helpful reply on Sunday
morning :-). They checked the site and reported that I had a </table>
missing, and that Netscape 4.7 has problems with this.

>What I did was go into 4.76, open your page, edit it with the inbuilt
>netscape composer, simply put a space as the first chr, then removed it,
>and saved it to my hard drive, and it appeared fine.

I've just added the missing </table>, and it works fine now in 4.7 :-).
I'll get the site updated, and upload the files again.

Thanks for the help!.
-- 

Nigel.

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Hi all,

Just a short info for anyone living in Germany:

Elektronikladen (www.elektronikladen.de) in Germany
now stocks the SIMM101 and DT007 boards.
http://www.elektronikladen.de/simm101.html

Regards

/Lars

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Embedded hardware/software together with 8051/C16x/AVR and 
smart distributed I/O with Controller Area Network (CAN).
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22-Jun-2001 
PIC CH-BASIC-Flash Version 3 released. Many new features. 
http://www.dontronics.com/chflash.html 

Don McKenzie    mailto:don@d...      http://www.dontronics.com

The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR  & PICmicro Hardware and Software
Free Basic Compiler and Programmer http://www.dontronics.com/runavr.html
The Little "rAVeR!" AVR & Basic Kit http://www.dontronics.com/dt006.html

I bought a DT006, prefabricated, from Dontronics.  I can't get it to work
at all.

I loaded up Bascom-AVR and made the appropriate changes in the Options
menu.  I tried to get it to program the chip.  It puts up a window called
'BASCOM-AVR programming status' that stays there.  None of the LEDs light
up.  If I tell it to read the ROM from the chip, it reads as total FFs.  
I once seem to have programmed the first word (2 bytes) of the chip to
'C0', which is the first word in the compiled .bin file, but otherwise I
just can't program the chip.  It consistently says 'cannot identify chip'

I've tried a 2313 and a AT90S2343 in the socket.

At one stage I was able to press the switch nearest R5, and get LED10 to
light up.  I was able to press the other two switches, and two of the LEDs
(probably 2 and 9) would light up.  Now, nothing lights up ever.

Let me describe my settings:

I have dual boot Windows 2000 and also Windows 98.  It doesn't work under
either system.  

COM port 1
bits per second: 9600
Data bits: 8
Parity: None
Stop Bits: 1
Flow control: None

I have installed Bascom-AVR demo version.  Settings are:

Compiler
Chip: 90S2313
HW stack: 16
Soft stack: 0
Framesize: 30

Output: binary, debug, hex, report, error, avr studio, size warning all
selected

Communication: Baudrate 9600 Frequency 10,000,000

Communication
COM Port
Baudrate 9600
Parity None
Databits 8
Stopbits 1
Handshake None
Emulation BBS ANSI

Programmer
Sample Electronics Programmer
parallel LPT-address 378
Serial COM-port 1

I have altered each of these settings with no benefit.  I have altered
many of them in combination.

There is one circumstance under which it appears that I can program the
chip.  I press 'Erase chip', and it says Chip Erased.  I then Read flash
ROM into buffer, and it appears as all zeros.  I then write buffer to
Flash ROM, and it 'programs' in about 5 seconds.  It verifies okay.  I
guess that's an illusion, though.

Now, if I load up a program, say rotate.bin (compiled within Bascom AVR),
and select write buffer into flash ROM, nothing happens.  It says
'programming chip', but the screen doesn't change and nothing happens.  It
will stay there all day if I let it.

If I hold a multimeter between pins 18-25 (ground) and pins 0 through 5,
there is a 50 mV difference.  If I go to the File menu and select 'Test'
for pins 2, 4, 5, and 11, I find that pin 4 becomes about +4.1 Volts.
Selecting 'reset' puts it back to 0.05.

I have no idea how to program these chips.  This is driving me insane.

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Richard,
Just a thought, I'm sure you have tried everything, but by any chance did
you try the 'Auto program' button in BASCOM-AVR? I had a similar problem
with the SYK300 and an AT103L, pressing the 'send buffer to chip' button did
not do the job. However, when I used the auto-program button everything
worked.

Regards,
Ranjit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard John Cavell" <r.cavell@u...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:20 AM
Subject: [simmstick] Dontronics raver not working


> I bought a DT006, prefabricated, from Dontronics.  I can't get it to work
> at all.
>
> I loaded up Bascom-AVR and made the appropriate changes in the Options
> menu.  I tried to get it to program the chip.  It puts up a window called
> 'BASCOM-AVR programming status' that stays there.  None of the LEDs light
> up.  If I tell it to read the ROM from the chip, it reads as total FFs.
> I once seem to have programmed the first word (2 bytes) of the chip to
> 'C0', which is the first word in the compiled .bin file, but otherwise I
> just can't program the chip.  It consistently says 'cannot identify chip'
>
> I've tried a 2313 and a AT90S2343 in the socket.
>
> At one stage I was able to press the switch nearest R5, and get LED10 to
> light up.  I was able to press the other two switches, and two of the LEDs
> (probably 2 and 9) would light up.  Now, nothing lights up ever.
>
> Let me describe my settings:
>
> I have dual boot Windows 2000 and also Windows 98.  It doesn't work under
> either system.
>
> COM port 1
> bits per second: 9600
> Data bits: 8
> Parity: None
> Stop Bits: 1
> Flow control: None
>
> I have installed Bascom-AVR demo version.  Settings are:
>
> Compiler
> Chip: 90S2313
> HW stack: 16
> Soft stack: 0
> Framesize: 30
>
> Output: binary, debug, hex, report, error, avr studio, size warning all
> selected
>
> Communication: Baudrate 9600 Frequency 10,000,000
>
> Communication
> COM Port
> Baudrate 9600
> Parity None
> Databits 8
> Stopbits 1
> Handshake None
> Emulation BBS ANSI
>
> Programmer
> Sample Electronics Programmer
> parallel LPT-address 378
> Serial COM-port 1
>
> I have altered each of these settings with no benefit.  I have altered
> many of them in combination.
>
> There is one circumstance under which it appears that I can program the
> chip.  I press 'Erase chip', and it says Chip Erased.  I then Read flash
> ROM into buffer, and it appears as all zeros.  I then write buffer to
> Flash ROM, and it 'programs' in about 5 seconds.  It verifies okay.  I
> guess that's an illusion, though.
>
> Now, if I load up a program, say rotate.bin (compiled within Bascom AVR),
> and select write buffer into flash ROM, nothing happens.  It says
> 'programming chip', but the screen doesn't change and nothing happens.  It
> will stay there all day if I let it.
>
> If I hold a multimeter between pins 18-25 (ground) and pins 0 through 5,
> there is a 50 mV difference.  If I go to the File menu and select 'Test'
> for pins 2, 4, 5, and 11, I find that pin 4 becomes about +4.1 Volts.
> Selecting 'reset' puts it back to 0.05.
>
> I have no idea how to program these chips.  This is driving me insane.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Cavell - richardcavell@m...
>
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> replies to me via email. (Server problems).  Sending me bulk email
> guarantees a nasty response.
>
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> of himself and his company, an arrogance that derives from power"
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>
>
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Richard,
I had the same thing happen to me and found it to be one of my cables not
attached correctly. I do not remember if it was the LPT or COMMPORT, but it
was definitely a cable problem. The key message is that it does not
recognize the chip. I hope this is helpful.

Best Regards,
Mike Putnam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard John Cavell" <r.cavell@u...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: [simmstick] Dontronics raver not working


> I bought a DT006, prefabricated, from Dontronics.  I can't get it to work
> at all.
>
> I loaded up Bascom-AVR and made the appropriate changes in the Options
> menu.  I tried to get it to program the chip.  It puts up a window called
> 'BASCOM-AVR programming status' that stays there.  None of the LEDs light
> up.  If I tell it to read the ROM from the chip, it reads as total FFs.
> I once seem to have programmed the first word (2 bytes) of the chip to
> 'C0', which is the first word in the compiled .bin file, but otherwise I
> just can't program the chip.  It consistently says 'cannot identify chip'
>
> I've tried a 2313 and a AT90S2343 in the socket.
>
> At one stage I was able to press the switch nearest R5, and get LED10 to
> light up.  I was able to press the other two switches, and two of the LEDs
> (probably 2 and 9) would light up.  Now, nothing lights up ever.
>
> Let me describe my settings:
>
> I have dual boot Windows 2000 and also Windows 98.  It doesn't work under
> either system.
>
> COM port 1
> bits per second: 9600
> Data bits: 8
> Parity: None
> Stop Bits: 1
> Flow control: None
>
> I have installed Bascom-AVR demo version.  Settings are:
>
> Compiler
> Chip: 90S2313
> HW stack: 16
> Soft stack: 0
> Framesize: 30
>
> Output: binary, debug, hex, report, error, avr studio, size warning all
> selected
>
> Communication: Baudrate 9600 Frequency 10,000,000
>
> Communication
> COM Port
> Baudrate 9600
> Parity None
> Databits 8
> Stopbits 1
> Handshake None
> Emulation BBS ANSI
>
> Programmer
> Sample Electronics Programmer
> parallel LPT-address 378
> Serial COM-port 1
>
> I have altered each of these settings with no benefit.  I have altered
> many of them in combination.
>
> There is one circumstance under which it appears that I can program the
> chip.  I press 'Erase chip', and it says Chip Erased.  I then Read flash
> ROM into buffer, and it appears as all zeros.  I then write buffer to
> Flash ROM, and it 'programs' in about 5 seconds.  It verifies okay.  I
> guess that's an illusion, though.
>
> Now, if I load up a program, say rotate.bin (compiled within Bascom AVR),
> and select write buffer into flash ROM, nothing happens.  It says
> 'programming chip', but the screen doesn't change and nothing happens.  It
> will stay there all day if I let it.
>
> If I hold a multimeter between pins 18-25 (ground) and pins 0 through 5,
> there is a 50 mV difference.  If I go to the File menu and select 'Test'
> for pins 2, 4, 5, and 11, I find that pin 4 becomes about +4.1 Volts.
> Selecting 'reset' puts it back to 0.05.
>
> I have no idea how to program these chips.  This is driving me insane.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Cavell - richardcavell@m...
>
> Newsgroups - Please keep any discussion on the group, and copy your
> replies to me via email. (Server problems).  Sending me bulk email
> guarantees a nasty response.
>
> Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson on Bill Gates: "He has a Napoleonic concept
> of himself and his company, an arrogance that derives from power"
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
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