OK, thanks Bob, I'll cc your message intact to the SimmStick group.
Have changed the email address as requested.

Cheers Don...

Bob Puckett wrote:
> 
> Hello Don,
> 
> Feel free to forward this to anyone that you think might be interested.
> If you include my email address for any reason, please use Bob@k...
> 
> I will be interested to see what people think.
> 
> About the Uart pins, etc.: I would say that there could be user defined
> pins on the processor boards for these uses - as long as a certain set
> of defined pins is reserved for the peripheral communication protocol.
> 
> Bob Puckett
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don McKenzie [mailto:don@d...]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:44 PM
> To: dtdealer@s...; Bob Puckett
> Subject: Re: The DTMB proposals
> 
> Hi Bob, nice to hear from you again, and thanks for the good fedback,
> 
> At this stage, it doesn't appear that I will be moving away from the
> SimmStick 30 pin form factor, as so many users want to keep it the way
> it is, so your comments are quite valid regarding the existing system.
> 
> I have taken the liberty of forwarding this message to the Dealer list.
> 
> I'm just wondering if you wanted me to send it to the SimmStick group
> for feedback and general comments.
> 
> I would like to think that it would inspire enough users to have a good
> think about your peripheral address mechanism, as in principle, I know
> it is a sound idea.
> 
> I just wonder if an 18 pin micro is cabable of driving such a system
> without any tricks, or perhaps a 28 pin device should be the model, as
> Uart pins, etc, will/may need their own direct I/O.
> 
> Cheers Don...
> 
> > Bob Puckett wrote:
> >
> > Don,
> >
> >
> >
> > It has been a long time since I have written.  I have been working on
> > other projects.  If you remember, I was the one who used to write to
> > you about the VipStick project I was doing.
> >
> >
> >
> > The trouble I see with the SimmStick development is not the form
> > factor or number of pins on the bus, but the fact that there is no
> > protocol for getting multiple SimmStick peripherals to work in the
> > same system.  Either the add-ons have to be I2C or you have conflicts
> > and I2C is not even a no brainer for hobby designers.
> >
> >
> >
> > I propose that there needs to be a small defined peripheral expansion
> > bus to encourage building block development.  I want to see
> > motherboards, IO boards, Sound boards, display devices, network
> > interfaces, etc to choose from for my project.  Just like a PC, but in
> > a very small, hobbyist friendly, affordable format.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are obviously many ways of doing this.  A bus select and
> > peripheral address mechanism (like my VipStick proposal but without
> > the SimmStick limitations).  Each peripheral would have a user
> > assigned address.  Use 4 bits for addressing, 1 bit for select, 8 bits
> > for data, 5 bits for control (or something like that).
> >
> >
> >
> > There should be no user defined bits on the bus - except for a set of
> > pins which can be defined for each card without conflicting with the
> > others.  The user defined pins need to be active only when the card is
> > addressed.  Otherwise, no two user defined boards can exist in the
> > same system.  For this reason, I believe that all pins need to be
> > defined OR the user defined pins need to be overlapping for each
> > board.
> >
> >
> >
> > Most existing SimmStick boards are processor boards.  Some of the
> > processor boards also include IO, Display Drivers, etc.  That is
> > because you can't count on being able to connect separate boards
> > together.  Right now, all boards have to be designed to work together
> > - generally by the same person.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't want to design another processor board.  I would prefer to
> > work on an intelligent X10 interface or a sprinkler relay interface or
> > a sound effect card or a collision avoidance sensor interface or a DC
> > motor controller board.  Then I want to buy another component from
> > Wirz or someone else and pop it in the system to do distance ranging
> > or optical counting or servo control.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think the problem is form factor or number of pins on the
> > bus.  The form factor is great (except for the .05 thickness
> > availability).  There are plenty of pins if we can share them
> > properly.  The problem is that we cannot share designs easily.  Except
> > for your LED board and relay board, there just aren't any general
> > purpose boards viable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.  I love the SimmStick.  I don't mean to complain.  I just
> > think that if you are considering a new DTMB design, we should all
> > look at whether we want to be able to share component peripheral
> > designs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob Puckett

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John Dunkley of South Australia has been developing a full size 747
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Quoted from John's page at:
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How would you like your very own motion flight simulator at home? This
web site explains the methods I am using to construct a motion-based
Flight Simulator in my garage at home.

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assist John with his development.
http://www.senet.com.au/~dunkleyj/flight.htm

AVR hardware can be seen in detail at:
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Don wrote:
> John Dunkley of South Australia has been developing a full size 747
> Flight simulator for some time now....

> After chatting with John, Dontronics was pleased to donate some gear to
> assist John with his development.
> http://www.senet.com.au/~dunkleyj/flight.htm

In one word: WOW!

And you, Don, plan to build something similar? Quite some project...

Stefan Wimmer
(Berlin, Germany)
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--- In simmstick@y..., "Alex Shepherd" <ashepherd@w...> wrote:
> Hi Don,
> 
> Just wondering if you or anyone else has plans for a AVR based
> board with onboard USB ?

Hi Alex,

I had such plans long time ago, made a working proto with
AVR + USB9602 from NS, then my computer was in fire and lost
those sources, and guess what found again two days ago!
I also did want to use the special AVRUSB chip got the development
board and stuff but the AVR silicon was buggy then :( so cancelled
that development.

I do have a FTDI based simmstick (no AVR on board) and I can agree
FT232AM is the easiest way to go really.

so just adding the FTDI reference circuitry to any AVR simmstick
would do the trick

antti

> Alex Shepherd wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Anyone know if the 28 Pin Mega8 will run in the DT006 28 Pin socket?
> 
> Main thing is will I be able to programme it?
> 
> Cheers

I think so Alex, no personal experience, but I have asked my AVR guru
dealer Lars, and he will get back to us.

He has a board:
http://www.lawicel.com/staver/
that I think will use both.

also it would mean that the dt107 board would be OK also.

Cheers Don...

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Don McKenzie wrote:
> 
> > Alex Shepherd wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Anyone know if the 28 Pin Mega8 will run in the DT006 28 Pin socket?
> >
> > Main thing is will I be able to programme it?
> >
> > Cheers
> 
> I think so Alex, no personal experience, but I have asked my AVR guru
> dealer Lars, and he will get back to us.
> 
> He has a board:
> http://www.lawicel.com/staver/
> that I think will use both.
> 
> also it would mean that the dt107 board would be OK also.

from Lars:
Yes, Mega8 is pin compatible, so yes. 

so it should work in the dt107 and dt006

any feedback welcome

Cheers Don...

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New arrival on 19-Aug-2002
Hard to get Dual Row 64 pin straight and right angle, male and female
connectors. 32 pins by 2 rows. Use for connecting printed circuit boards
together, and many other projects. 
http://www.dontronics.com/simcon.html#dual

New arrival on 19-Aug-2002
USB Ram Disk
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21-Aug-2002 
micro Enginneering Labs have just updated both versions of their Pic
Basic Compilers. 
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PICBasic PRO V2.42 http://www.dontronics.com/pbpro.html 


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http://wiki.w4all.com/FreeSiliconSamples

there are links to all known to me Vendors who send you free samples.
It take some time to compile the list, hope it is useful to someone.

Antti Lukats

> Subject: [simmstick] links to manufacturers for Free IC Samples
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:45:11 -0000
> From: "avrbasic" <antti@c...>
> Reply-To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
> To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
> 
> http://wiki.w4all.com/FreeSiliconSamples
> 
> there are links to all known to me Vendors who send you free samples.
> It take some time to compile the list, hope it is useful to someone.
> 
> Antti Lukats

Thanks Antii, I'll add it to my links page, I'm sure someone will make
good use of it,
Cheers Don...

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I have recently bought and assembled a DT001 development board and 
16F84 pic micro for a school engineering project.  I am having 
trouble writing Nigel Goodwin flashing lights software to chip.

When the development board is powered up (I have tried 2 * 9 volt 
batteries and power supply) The PWR led, 5v led, tx led all turn on 
at full strength and VDD turns on at half strength.

The Goodwin software is talking to printer as port $378 is registered.

When I try to download the flashing light program the following 
occurs.

Programming ... Writing program data : 0 Programming Failed Verify 
failed
Verifying   ... Verify program data : 0 Program Verify Failed!
Blowing Fuses to 03FF1 ...
Fuse Failure Config Fuses, verify failed!
Total time 0.83 secs.


Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
bensonmat@h...

I have recently bought and assembled a DT001 development board and 
16F84 pic micro for a school engineering project.  I am having 
trouble writing Nigel Goodwin flashing lights software to chip.

When the development board is powered up (I have tried 2 * 9 volt 
batteries and power supply) The PWR led, 5v led, tx led all turn on 
at full strength and VDD turns on at half strength.

The Goodwin software is talking to printer as port $378 is registered.

When I try to download the flashing light program the following 
occurs.

Programming ... Writing program data : 0 Programming Failed Verify 
failed
Verifying   ... Verify program data : 0 Program Verify Failed!
Blowing Fuses to 03FF1 ...
Fuse Failure Config Fuses, verify failed!
Total time 0.83 secs.


Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
bensonmat@h...

bensonmat wrote:
> 
> I have recently bought and assembled a DT001 development board and
> 16F84 pic micro for a school engineering project.  I am having
> trouble writing Nigel Goodwin flashing lights software to chip.
> 
> When the development board is powered up (I have tried 2 * 9 volt
> batteries and power supply) The PWR led, 5v led, tx led all turn on
> at full strength and VDD turns on at half strength.

I'm not sure how much Nigel has gone into help text for users, so I'll
approach it from the P16pro method.

It either works or it doesn't when you build it.

If it doesn't you need to go into the help files and try checking your
voltages first.
get the file picallw.exe from the links at p16pro(.html), and read the
on line help text regarding initial checks.

also check your cable. Is it a straight through 25 wire to 25 wire?

Cheers Don... 

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>From: Don McKenzie <don@d...>
>Reply-To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
>To: SimmStick Group <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [simmstick] links to manufacturers for Free IC Samples
>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:40:19 +1000

FWIW, I can confirm that Analog Devices, Maxim and TI are very good with 
samples. ADI is giving away samples of their latest 16-bit ADSP-2191 DSP, I 
got a couple. I'll have to see if I can get a couple of SHARCs out of them.

Leon
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_________________________________________________________________
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It should be noted that Analog Devices ships by UPS, so Canadians (where
my experience lies) get surprised with a $35 brokerage fee for two
chips. Just something to keep in mind.

-Randy Glenn
Comp. Eng. & Mgt. II, McMaster University 
===================================================
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-----Original Message-----
From: avrbasic [mailto:antti@c...] 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:45 AM
To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [simmstick] links to manufacturers for Free IC Samples


http://wiki.w4all.com/FreeSiliconSamples

there are links to all known to me Vendors who send you free samples. It
take some time to compile the list, hope it is useful to someone.

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>Subject: RE: [simmstick] links to manufacturers for Free IC Samples
>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:18:08 -0400
>
>It should be noted that Analog Devices ships by UPS, so Canadians (where
>my experience lies) get surprised with a $35 brokerage fee for two
>chips. Just something to keep in mind.
>

In the UK the request is passed on to ADI UK and delivery is free.

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In message <002a01c24ea8$25ec2360$0101a8c0@e...>, Edward Stroud 
<e.stroud@b...> writes
>Hi
>
>I have been trying to use 2 x DT106 with the 40 pin PICs to communicate 
>- one as master the other as slave.
>
>It is nearly working! however the data rceived at the slave PIC 
>sometimes gets shifted by 1 or 2 bits to the left.
>
>Any ideas as to how this can be cured? - I have a 10k pullup on the 
>clock line at the moment.

How are you trying to communicate between the chips?.
-- 

Nigel.

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         | Chesterfield    |         Homepage for WinPicProg          |
         | England         |       http://www.winpicprog.co.uk        |
         \------------------------------------------------------------/

>From: Nigel Goodwin <nigelg@l...>
>Reply-To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
>To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [simmstick] 2 x DT106 & SPI
>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:21:49 +0100
>
>In message <002a01c24ea8$25ec2360$0101a8c0@e...>, Edward Stroud
><e.stroud@b...> writes
> >Hi
> >
> >I have been trying to use 2 x DT106 with the 40 pin PICs to communicate
> >- one as master the other as slave.
> >
> >It is nearly working! however the data rceived at the slave PIC
> >sometimes gets shifted by 1 or 2 bits to the left.
> >
> >Any ideas as to how this can be cured? - I have a 10k pullup on the
> >clock line at the moment.
>
>How are you trying to communicate between the chips?.

SPI, it's in the Subject. 8-)

How far apart are they? It could be noise if you are trying to communicate 
between separate systems connected by cables.

I've used SPI between a PIC and several AVRs without any problems, and 
between a PIC and SPI UARTs. They were on the same PCB, though.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Stroud
To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [simmstick] 2 x DT106 & SPI


They are on two separate simmsticks 4 slots apart but I have had to do some
"knitting" on the back of the slave board as u have to cut the SDI and SDO
tracks and reverse them.

Should be OK. Have you tried slowing the clock? Also, make sure you haven't
got any dodgy solder joints.

I use a little PCB I've made with a 74HC595 (it's SPI-compatible) with LEDs
on the outputs to debug SPI masters. Once I know the master is working
properly I can go ahead with the slave(s).

Leon
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> Alex Shepherd wrote:
> 
> Hi Don,
> 
> I got my mega8's and they seem to work ok in the DT006.
> 
> I just plugged it in and tweaked a BASCOM-AVR sample to print on the
> LCD and UART and it seems to work.
> 
> I just used the default 1MHz onboard clock - until I can work out the
> fuse settings to change it!!!
> 
> It was a bit of a pain working out the port pin mappings to SIMMStick
> D0..D14 lines - shame the mapping is not as tidy as the 2313 or 8535,
> but it does go!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Alex

OK, Great!
thanks Alex, I'll put a little note on the dt006 page.
Cheers Don...

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I just got some 12F675's (Flash) and was wondering if anyone has
programmed them with the PICALLw software. Bojan Dobaj has specific
support for 12CE6XX parts but not the 8 pin flash parts, which are
rather new. I have not really spent any time looking into the
Device.ini file that is can be modifies to add new parts ( so I have
read). Anyway if anyone has any ideas any help is appreciated.

Thnaks

6-Sep-2002 
Rapid Can Development. A big range of CANDIP products from LAWICEL 
http://www.dontronics.com/candip.html 

see also:
http://www.dontronics.com/softjob.html on another matter.

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Don,

Regarding your little job, the easiest way to do it is in perl. I can do it
for free , but it will be a basic perl script which you will call from the
command line. Tell me if you're interested.

Dan

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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:54 AM
To: SimmStick Group
Subject: [simmstick] Rapid Can Development.


6-Sep-2002
Rapid Can Development. A big range of CANDIP products from LAWICEL
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Dan Vasaru wrote:
> 
> Don,
> 
> Regarding your little job, the easiest way to do it is in perl. I can do it
> for free , but it will be a basic perl script which you will call from the
> command line. Tell me if you're interested.
> 
> Dan

Thanks very much Dan, and everyone else.
Twas the quickest I have got anyone to do anything. 
Quicker than when my wife asks me to but the garbage out. :-)

Brill Pappin has offered to do it for me, and I have accepted. (for
barter)

I am also after a Web CGI/perl/database programmer. I have a serious job
I want done some time in the future, that involves a web based member
database paid membership, plus two information data bases. selling info
to paid members.

nothing to do with electronics, for my real, real, retirement when I am
seventy. :-)

Cheers Don...

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