From support2003 at dontronics.com Mon Sep 15 18:45:18 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Mon Sep 15 03:45:36 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Welcome to the new Group. Message-ID: <3F656E0E.4D49E1FF@dontronics.com> Message #1 15-Sep-2003 Welcome to the New SimmStick Group Mailing List. The first SimmStick Group started in 1996 and was supported through the services of Kalle Pihlajasaari in South Africa. In December 1999, it was transferred to Yahoo groups, as Kalle was no longer able to support it. Due to massive amounts of Spam coming through the Moderators Email address, and no way of suppressing this easily, it has been transferred to the new dontronics.com domain, which is running Mailman. We hope this new system will be spam and commercial free. Although dedicated to SimmSticks, you are welcome to post on any subject that is closely related. This includes products sold by Dontronics, our competitors, PIC's, AVR's, and other micros, and interface chips. We don't mind "On-Topic" ads, providing it isn't abused. I think we all know what this means in this day and age. And this message is also being sent to the old SimmStick Group, so if you get it via both venues, you will know that it is safe to un-subscribe from the old Yahoo group. Information on doing this is at: http://www.dontronics.com/simmstick_group.html Cheers Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Mon Sep 15 18:59:26 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Mon Sep 15 03:59:44 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] test Message-ID: <3F65715E.9245A7C7@dontronics.com> testing for correct reply to address Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From Allan.Lane at honeywell-tsi.com Mon Sep 15 16:12:33 2003 From: Allan.Lane at honeywell-tsi.com (Lane, Allan C.) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:23:23 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] 30-pin IDC SimmSticks Message-ID: Hello. I followed the earlier Forum posts on using 30-pin 0.1" center post connectors to implement a SimmStick bus. It seemed like a good idea -- is it possible or practical to hook up to an IDC cable? I know normally these are dual-row connectors, which could be a problem. Perhaps use a 60-pin dual row connector, and only plug into half of it? In any event, implementing a 30-pin single row set of connectors would seem to be much more easily prototyped (with wire-wrap or solder to a backplane) than the 30-pin SIMM connectors originally used. Anyway, just a thought, and I also wanted to check out the new Forum. AllanL From support2003 at dontronics.com Tue Sep 16 07:41:07 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:41:30 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] 30-pin IDC SimmSticks References: Message-ID: <3F6623E3.E7EA5EF@dontronics.com> "Lane, Allan C." wrote: > > Hello. > I followed the earlier Forum posts on using 30-pin 0.1" center post connectors > to implement a SimmStick bus. It seemed like a good idea -- is it possible > or practical to hook up to an IDC cable? > > I know normally these are dual-row connectors, which could be a problem. > > Perhaps use a 60-pin dual row connector, and only plug into half of it? > > In any event, implementing a 30-pin single row set of connectors would > seem to be much more easily prototyped (with wire-wrap or solder to a > backplane) than the 30-pin SIMM connectors originally used. > > Anyway, just a thought, and I also wanted to check out the new Forum. > > AllanL Hi Allan, Yes, that is what many users are doing, simply using 30 pins out of 60. There was a long discussion recently about making use of the full 60 pins for a new bus. Other products like the Warp-13 which has a 5 pin ISP header, we also use 10 pin IDC crimp headers and flat ribbon cable, as you can't readily get 5 pin headers and .1" cable to suit. BTW I had to approve this message, as I couldn't see you as a member of the new group using the same email address, so if you haven't done so already, please join the group. http://www.dontronics.com/simmstick_group.html for instructions. In the future when it all settles down, I will have to ignore all messages posted by non-members. BTW2 I have saved the archives of the old group at: http://members.optushome.com.au/dontronics4/simmstick_old_messages/ I had to do this a page of 30 messages at a time, as Yahoo didn't give me an easy answer. BTW3 We had 333 members on the old group, we now have 330, and 21 members have moved across to the new group, so if you are happy that all is well, please un-subscribe from the old group. http://www.dontronics.com/simmstick_group.html for instructions. I don't mind test messages to make sure that this new mailing list is working to everyone's satisfaction. Cheers Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From rob at usbmicro.com Mon Sep 15 16:48:19 2003 From: rob at usbmicro.com (Rob) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:46:32 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] 30-pin IDC SimmSticks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030915154004.00a688b8@pop3.usbmicro.com> Hi, >I followed the earlier Forum posts on using 30-pin 0.1" center post connectors >to implement a SimmStick bus. It seemed like a good idea -- is it possible >or practical to hook up to an IDC cable? > >I know normally these are dual-row connectors, which could be a problem. > >Perhaps use a 60-pin dual row connector, and only plug into half of it? I've done exactly this. If you have a ribbon cable with a handful of IDC connectors, you have a nice bus back-plane for SimmSticks that use pins, like the U401 USB interface (SimmStick compatible). Or any regular SimmStick fitted with pins. >In any event, implementing a 30-pin single row set of connectors would >seem to be much more easily prototyped (with wire-wrap or solder to a >backplane) than the 30-pin SIMM connectors originally used. Nice to plug into a solderless protoboard, too. >Anyway, just a thought, and I also wanted to check out the new Forum. -Rob ---- ---- ---- ---- Down here at the end of the message there should be an annoying ad for Yahoo... (I'm glad that there isn't.) From info at baltic-microsolutions.de Tue Sep 16 11:10:55 2003 From: info at baltic-microsolutions.de (Moritz von Buttlar) Date: Tue Sep 16 04:11:59 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Prototyping service: anybody interested ? Message-ID: <200309160924.23036.info@baltic-microsolutions.de> Hi ! I'm quite successfully using a CNC mill for Simmstick-prototyping. Look at http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick1.jpg and http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick2.jpg for examples. It works so well that I'm wondering if I should try to start a small business with this. I could offer very quick milling (e.g. 24hrs) of your Simm-Sticks for a low price (<20 USD). The disadvantage of traditional board houses with respect to simmstick-prototyping are in my eyes: 1. They usually sell bigger boards, so you can't buy just a small board without paying extra. 2. It takes too long or it is too expensive. I'm willing to wait maybe 2 days for a prototype board, but not 2 weeks. 3. unusual thickness of simmsticks There are, of course, some restrictions. Really professional manufactured boards will always be better. But you can use 1206 SMD components and 1 trace between DIL pins and SMD SOIC-chips. Also, I'm only making one sided PCB's at the moment and it only works with eagle (that's a cad program you can get for non-profit/evaluation use for free from http://www.cadsoft.de or you can buy a license for 49 USD). But this could be changed. A big advantage would be that the board outlines are also milled and all holes drilled. How do you make your SMD prototypes at the moment ? What would the demand for such milled boards be ? Any estimates ? Don should know how much prototype board he sells, would you share this information with us ;) ? If I could sell maybe 10 boards/day in a couple of month from now on, it would pay off for me. Do you think such numbers are realistic ? I'm waiting for your comments, Moritz v. Buttlar -- Baltic-Microsolutions http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de uC-DSP-PSOC Hardware/Software development MSP430-Bootloader Software From intello at ozemail.com.au Tue Sep 16 22:24:19 2003 From: intello at ozemail.com.au (Ingmar Meins) Date: Tue Sep 16 07:22:24 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Test etc.. Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20030916212331.01e44758@pop.iprimus.com.au> Well I thought I might be one of many... Testing....1....2....3... It Works! From alxx at alxx.net Wed Sep 17 01:05:25 2003 From: alxx at alxx.net (Alex Gibson) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:05:09 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Prototyping service: anybody interested ? Message-ID: <016a01c37c5b$93df29d0$d185adcb@CHAOS1> I've been interested in trying that. There's a cnc machine at uni upstairs that was bought for that purpase that apparently none has been able to get working yet(few years old). (Uni main building is a 26 storey tower with engineering on floors 18 to 25 ). Had a quick look at it a few weeks ago. Appears to be serial port controlled, can't remember the brand. A German one I think.Looked to be virtually untouched including the thick coating of dust. Want to have a go and make some smd boards with it. Like yours but most likely not for simmsticks yet. Alex Gibson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moritz von Buttlar" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Prototyping service: anybody interested ? > > Hi ! > > I'm quite successfully using a CNC mill for Simmstick-prototyping. > Look at http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick1.jpg and > http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick2.jpg for examples. > > It works so well that I'm wondering if I should try to start a small business > with this. > I could offer very quick milling (e.g. 24hrs) of your Simm-Sticks for a low > price (<20 USD). > > The disadvantage of traditional board houses with respect to > simmstick-prototyping are in my eyes: > > 1. They usually sell bigger boards, so you can't buy just a small board > without paying extra. > > 2. It takes too long or it is too expensive. I'm willing to wait maybe 2 days > for a prototype board, but not 2 weeks. > > 3. unusual thickness of simmsticks > > There are, of course, some restrictions. Really professional manufactured > boards will always be better. But you can use 1206 SMD components and 1 trace > between DIL pins and SMD SOIC-chips. Also, I'm only making one sided PCB's at > the moment and it only works with eagle (that's a cad program you can get for > non-profit/evaluation use for free from http://www.cadsoft.de or you can buy > a license for 49 USD). But this could be changed. A big advantage would be > that the board outlines are also milled and all holes drilled. > > How do you make your SMD prototypes at the moment ? What would the demand for > such milled boards be ? Any estimates ? > > Don should know how much prototype board he sells, would you share this > information with us ;) ? > > If I could sell maybe 10 boards/day in a couple of month from now on, it would > pay off for me. Do you think such numbers are realistic ? > > > I'm waiting for your comments, > > Moritz v. Buttlar > > > -- > Baltic-Microsolutions http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de > uC-DSP-PSOC Hardware/Software development > MSP430-Bootloader Software > > > _______________________________________________ > SimmStick_Group mailing list > SimmStick_Group@dontronics.com > http://dontronics.com/mailman/listinfo/simmstick_group_dontronics.com > From radsett at attcanada.ca Tue Sep 16 12:13:57 2003 From: radsett at attcanada.ca (Robert Adsett) Date: Tue Sep 16 11:14:03 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I've been looking at using the SimmStick bus for some upcoming development and I've run into some ambiguities in the specification I'd like to resolve. The first question then is: Is there a more complete specification available than what appears to be available on the Dontronics Web page? Assuming there isn't (and that seems likely) my first question has to do with the location of the pads for the 0.1" header behind the card edge smd pads. (see http://www.dontronics.com/ssinfo_dg.html to see what I'm referencing) The text states "The 30 edge connector Pads are .07" wide by .08" long." and the accompanying GIF matches that. Then the text continues "The first set of holes back from this edge are .1" from the edge of the board and offset .05" to the right." I took that to mean that the offset was from the centre line of the edge pad. That puts it between two edge pads. Since the drawing indicates a 0.035" diameter hole by the time a reasonable annular ring is added to this it will short out the two pads the hole straddles. I see two possibilities for reconciling this, 1- The offset contains a typo and really should be 0.005" or 2) the offset is from some other reference point. I can't see shortening the edge connector pads, they already appear to be as short as is reasonable. BTW, I already passed this question on to Dontronics before this mailing list moved off of Google Groups (which I dislike enough not to use) but I thought I'd pass this along to a wider audience and get a few more eyes on it. Robert From Allan.Lane at honeywell-tsi.com Tue Sep 16 14:01:21 2003 From: Allan.Lane at honeywell-tsi.com (Lane, Allan C.) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:01:57 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] On-line Viewing + Email Addresses Message-ID: Hello again. I recently signed up with my home email address, but then tried to send email from my work PC -- and I was not recognized. I know this is typical -- but is there any way to have two email addresses recognized? And -- Is there an on-line viewer for the Group? I havn't been able to find one if it exists. Thanks, Allan. From Allan.Lane at honeywell-tsi.com Tue Sep 16 14:05:25 2003 From: Allan.Lane at honeywell-tsi.com (Lane, Allan C.) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:06:00 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Archive Viewer Message-ID: Ooops, just found the Archive Viewer. it's at -- http://thebe.affordablehost.com/pipermail/simmstick_group_dontronics.com/ Sorry about the confusion. From support2003 at dontronics.com Wed Sep 17 07:43:33 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Tue Sep 16 16:43:50 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] On-line Viewing + Email Addresses References: Message-ID: <3F6775F5.D6AA0CF6@dontronics.com> "Lane, Allan C." wrote: > > Hello again. > I recently signed up with my home email address, but then > tried to send email from my work PC -- and I was not recognized. > I know this is typical -- but is there any way to have two > email addresses recognized? > > And -- Is there an on-line viewer for the Group? I havn't > been able to find one if it exists. > > Thanks, Allan. Hi Alan, just sign up twice. Of course you will get messages to both addresses, but as we normally don't do too much traffic, this may not be a serious problem. :-) Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Wed Sep 17 08:12:02 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Tue Sep 16 17:12:15 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Cross posting between groups, and the CNC milling machine message. Message-ID: <3F677CA2.8DD75D8@dontronics.com> Hi Gang, just to let you know that the old group is now offically shut down, I still have nearly 300 members to chase across, and this seems to be the only way of doing it. I have posted a final SimmStick related message to the group, and reposted it below: The main message relates to the CNC milling machine. At some stage, I will mass subscribe the last of the old members across here, so if you haven't un-subscribed from the old group, please do so now, else you may end up with dual messages from this group. thanks, Don... ================================================================================== Hi D. Jay, to cross post back from the old group to the new group is beyond my scope, I'm sorry. I was prepared to cross post back to the old group for a few days, but to do it both ways is impractical. This will be the final SimmStick related message posted to this old group. I will post this final message to the new group. This is a very interesting thread, so please sign up to the new group and join in. It appears that all is working fine. No complaints so far, and no ads or pop up commercials. :-) to get from the old group to the new group, please read: http://www.dontronics.com/simmstick_group.html Cheers Don... =================================================================================== "D. Jay Newman" wrote: > > > Hi ! > > > > I'm quite successfully using a CNC mill for Simmstick-prototyping. > > Look at http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick1.jpg and > > http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick2.jpg for examples. > > Great! > > > It works so well that I'm wondering if I should try to start a small > > business > > with this. > > I could offer very quick milling (e.g. 24hrs) of your Simm-Sticks for a > > low > > price (<20 USD). > > Yes!!!!!!!! > > > The disadvantage of traditional board houses with respect to > > simmstick-prototyping are in my eyes: > > > > 1. They usually sell bigger boards, so you can't buy just a small board > > without paying extra. > > > > 2. It takes too long or it is too expensive. I'm willing to wait maybe 2 > > days > > for a prototype board, but not 2 weeks. > > Ayup. > > > 3. unusual thickness of simmsticks > > Ayup. > > > How do you make your SMD prototypes at the moment ? What would the > > demand for > > such milled boards be ? Any estimates ? > > I would want a couple immediately! Well, as soon as I can convince Eagle > to accept my schematic. :) > > Though if you were starting, I would get the file done tonight. I have > started the process so that I could go through a more traditional > prototying house. > > Good luck! > -- > D. Jay Newman ! > jay@sprucegrove.com ! Xander: Giles, don't make cave-slayer unhappy. > http://enerd.ws/robots/ ! -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Wed Sep 17 10:19:34 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Tue Sep 16 19:19:49 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <3F679A86.8C571BEE@dontronics.com> Robert Adsett wrote: > > I've been looking at using the SimmStick bus for some upcoming development > and I've run into some ambiguities in the specification I'd like to resolve. > > The first question then is: Is there a more complete specification > available than what appears to be available on the Dontronics Web > page? Assuming there isn't (and that seems likely) my first question has > to do with the location of the pads for the 0.1" header behind the card > edge smd pads. (see http://www.dontronics.com/ssinfo_dg.html to see what > I'm referencing) No, I think that is it Robert. It was initially designed by Antti Lukats, and I followed his specifications. > The text states "The 30 edge connector Pads are .07" wide by .08" long." > and the accompanying GIF matches that. Then the text continues "The first > set of holes back from this edge are .1" from the edge of the board and > offset .05" to the right." I took that to mean that the offset was from > the centre line of the edge pad. That puts it between two edge > pads. Since the drawing indicates a 0.035" diameter hole by the time a > reasonable annular ring is added to this it will short out the two pads the > hole straddles. I see two possibilities for reconciling this, 1- The > offset contains a typo and really should be 0.005" or 2) the offset is from > some other reference point. I can't see shortening the edge connector > pads, they already appear to be as short as is reasonable. As I hadn't done any artwork for a few years myself, I had to pull out my old notebooks to check this out. (My friend Mick has done them all recently) Not on the 286, this was even before SimmStick, but a lot of Protel DOS artwork on it. Aha! the 486 Notebook has it. Yes, there are two typos as far as I can see. 1) in the gif file: "The first set of holes back from this edge are .1" from the edge of the board and offset .05" to the right." should read "offset .025" to the right." 2) And in the printed text .05" to the right, should read .025" to the right. As far as I can determine, the first row of pads are indeed offset .025" to the right of the edge connector pads. I hope this clears it up. I'll fix the page to match. I am amazed that no one else picked it up in all these years, and please someone shoot me down if I got it wrong this time. :-) Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Wed Sep 17 10:26:14 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Tue Sep 16 19:26:28 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <3F679A86.8C571BEE@dontronics.com> Message-ID: <3F679C16.E785B02E@dontronics.com> typo on typo, I'll correct it now: :-) 1) in the gif file: "The first set of holes back from this edge are .1" from the edge of the board and offset .25" to the right." should read "offset .025" to the right." Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Wed Sep 17 10:40:39 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Tue Sep 16 19:40:53 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Prototyping service: anybody interested ? References: <200309160924.23036.info@baltic-microsolutions.de> Message-ID: <3F679F77.B95B204@dontronics.com> Moritz von Buttlar wrote: > > Hi ! > > I'm quite successfully using a CNC mill for Simmstick-prototyping. > Look at http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick1.jpg and > http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick2.jpg for examples. > Don should know how much prototype board he sells, would you share this > information with us ;) ? Sorry Moritz, not following you on this one. I don't sell protoboards as such. 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AffordableHOST Billing AffordableHOST.com [4.0.2 Build 8.1 EZ] -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB to RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From info at baltic-microsolutions.de Wed Sep 17 11:22:00 2003 From: info at baltic-microsolutions.de (Moritz von Buttlar) Date: Wed Sep 17 04:23:04 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Prototyping service: anybody interested ? In-Reply-To: <3F679F77.B95B204@dontronics.com> References: <200309160924.23036.info@baltic-microsolutions.de> <3F679F77.B95B204@dontronics.com> Message-ID: <200309171022.00977.info@baltic-microsolutions.de> Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 01:40 schrieb Don McKenzie: > Moritz von Buttlar wrote: > > Hi ! > > > > I'm quite successfully using a CNC mill for Simmstick-prototyping. > > Look at http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick1.jpg and > > http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de/simmstick2.jpg for examples. > > > > Don should know how much prototype board he sells, would you share this > > information with us ;) ? > > Sorry Moritz, > not following you on this one. I don't sell protoboards as such. > However there seems to be plenty of interest to date. I was thinking about the DT201/DT202 prototype boards. It would be interesting for me to know if many people buy these boards. > Im still trying to chase about 280 members across. :-) > > Don... Good luck ;) Moritz -- Baltic-Microsolutions http://www.baltic-microsolutions.de uC-DSP-PSOC Hardware/Software development MSP430-Bootloader Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Wed Sep 17 19:45:35 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Wed Sep 17 04:45:52 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Prototyping service: anybody interested ? References: <200309160924.23036.info@baltic-microsolutions.de> <3F679F77.B95B204@dontronics.com> <200309171022.00977.info@baltic-microsolutions.de> Message-ID: <3F681F2F.A209AF71@dontronics.com> Moritz von Buttlar wrote: > I was thinking about the DT201/DT202 prototype boards. It would be interesting > for me to know if many people buy these boards. Oh sure, these sell reasonably well. Many users are wanting to put prototypes together at the end of the SimmStick Bus. > > Im still trying to chase about 280 members across. :-) > > > > Don... > > Good luck ;) > > Moritz I gave up, and used the bull-dozer approach and mass subscribed the lot, which is what I did in 1999, when I was trying to chase everyone from the South African group to the then new Yahoo list. Amazingly, I only got one email address bounce out of the 300 odd. That was Alan Hackett, the man that put me onto my new anti-spam methods, that I am now fine tuning. :-) But then, I can understand why Alan's bounced. He now protects his email address like I do, and we all need to. I just dropped my email connections to the old yahooo group, and my spam is back to zero. Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From radsett at attcanada.ca Wed Sep 17 10:10:12 2003 From: radsett at attcanada.ca (Robert Adsett) Date: Wed Sep 17 09:10:18 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <3F679C16.E785B02E@dontronics.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <3F679A86.8C571BEE@dontronics.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030917090856.00ae13b0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> you wrote: >typo on typo, I'll correct it now: :-) > >1) in the gif file: >"The first set of holes back from this edge are .1" from the edge of the >board and offset .25" to the right." >should read "offset .025" to the right." Thanks, that's a big help. Robert From radsett at attcanada.ca Wed Sep 17 16:46:57 2003 From: radsett at attcanada.ca (Robert Adsett) Date: Wed Sep 17 15:47:02 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <3F679C16.E785B02E@dontronics.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <3F679A86.8C571BEE@dontronics.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030917152854.00ad41e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> At 09:26 AM 9/17/03 +1000, you wrote: >typo on typo, I'll correct it now: :-) > >1) in the gif file: >"The first set of holes back from this edge are .1" from the edge of the >board and offset .25" to the right." >should read "offset .025" to the right." > >Don... Much better. I've got a pdf outline with dimensions now and a corrected Eagle library(also with the dimensions in the Measures layer). I don't want to send them to the list without checking first or I could send them on to you Don (or I could just keep them to myself :). Now for my next question. I suspect this hasn't been considered yet. What are the signal levels on the digital lines? I'm looking for a couple of things, the first is whether they are CMOS or TTL compatible. If they are 5V TTL compatible lines that will allow the use of 3V logic with 5V tolerant I/O (3V micros already have that or buffers to provide it can be easily added). Unfortunately CMOS logic requires higher voltage levels (it's the difference between 74HC and 74HCT logic). Buffering 3V logic to provide full CMOS level drives would require dual voltage level supplies and the direction could only be picked for groups of I/O at a time rather than for individual lines. A related question: How much current is each digital line expected to source or sink? Note I'm referring to the D0-D15, SI and SO lines here. The A1-A6 lines are rather different since they are board specific and the I2C lines I believe are already specced by Philips. I'll probably have a few questions on the power and reset lines later. Robert From bboyes at systronix.com Wed Sep 17 15:27:59 2003 From: bboyes at systronix.com (Bruce Boyes) Date: Wed Sep 17 16:33:02 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030917152854.00ad41e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cab le.rogers.com> References: <3F679C16.E785B02E@dontronics.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <3F679A86.8C571BEE@dontronics.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030917141637.036de628@mail.xmission.com> At 03:46 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, Robert Adsett wrote: >I've got a pdf outline with dimensions now and a corrected Eagle >library(also with the dimensions in the Measures layer). I don't want to >send them to the list without checking first or I could send them on to >you Don (or I could just keep them to myself :). > >Now for my next question. I suspect this hasn't been considered yet. I'd like to throw in my $.02 since we have considered all this for use with our JSimm products (http://www.jsimm.com). Here also is a link to our page of specs: http://jsimm.systronix.com/jsimm_data.htm Here's how we have assigned pins: http://jsimm.systronix.com/jsimm_pins.pdf JSimm is a standardized version of SimmStick (there are SimmStick vendors with conflicting us of signals as we discovered) >What are the signal levels on the digital lines? I'm looking for a couple >of things, the first is whether they are CMOS or TTL compatible. If they >are 5V TTL compatible lines that will allow the use of 3V logic with 5V >tolerant I/O (3V micros already have that or buffers to provide it can be >easily added). Unfortunately CMOS logic requires higher voltage >levels (it's the difference between 74HC and 74HCT logic). Buffering 3V >logic to provide full CMOS level drives would require dual voltage level >supplies and the direction could only be picked for groups of I/O at a >time rather than for individual lines. We are specifying TTL levels for all our hardware, which is typically 3.3V circuitry, but all with 5V tolerant, TTL-level I/O. Here's a summary of those %V/3.3V issues: http://jstamp.systronix.com/jstamp_pinout.htm >A related question: How much current is each digital line expected to >source or sink? We assume 8mA minimum at TTL levels. >Note I'm referring to the D0-D15, SI and SO lines here. The A1-A6 lines >are rather different since they are board specific and the I2C lines I >believe are already specced by Philips. I'll probably have a few >questions on the power and reset lines later. Here are our comments on the power lines: http://jstik.systronix.com/Resource/JStik_Power_&_the_JSimm_Bus.pdf since as you know, SimmStick when created did not contemplate 3.3V systems. We've also decided to use JSimm.30 as Dallas 1-Wire net on future products. This isn't yet reflected on all our documentation. Here is one of our backplanes for reference: http://jsimm.systronix.com/backplane.htm and a JStamp Brain board: http://jsimm.systronix.com/jsimm_jstamp.htm We expect these pinouts to find increasing use in Universities, since that is the target market of our http://jcx.systronix.com/ JCX products. Regards Bruce >Robert > > >_______________________________________________ >SimmStick_Group mailing list >SimmStick_Group@dontronics.com >http://dontronics.com/mailman/listinfo/simmstick_group_dontronics.com ------- WWW.SYSTRONIX.COM ---------- Real embedded Java and much more www.jrealtime.com and www.tstik.com +1-801-534-1017 Salt Lake City, USA From support2003 at dontronics.com Thu Sep 18 09:23:14 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Wed Sep 17 18:23:28 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities References: <3F679C16.E785B02E@dontronics.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <3F679A86.8C571BEE@dontronics.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20030917141637.036de628@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <3F68DED2.6E27B1D9@dontronics.com> Bruce Boyes wrote: > > At 03:46 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, Robert Adsett wrote: > >I've got a pdf outline with dimensions now and a corrected Eagle > >library(also with the dimensions in the Measures layer). I don't want to > >send them to the list without checking first or I could send them on to > >you Don (or I could just keep them to myself :). Hi Robert, please send them to me, and I'll post them in the appropriate spot on my pages. > >Now for my next question. I suspect this hasn't been considered yet. > > I'd like to throw in my $.02 since we have considered all this for use with > our JSimm products (http://www.jsimm.com). Here also is a link to our page > of specs: > http://jsimm.systronix.com/jsimm_data.htm Thanks Bruce, I knew you were lurking there somewhere. :-) > >What are the signal levels on the digital lines? I'm looking for a couple > >of things, the first is whether they are CMOS or TTL compatible. As Bruce said, SimmStick was designed before 3.3V logic was invented. Re signal specs: We can basically fit any compatible micro that has single bit I/O addressing to a SimmStick bus. And there has been 4 SimmStick matches to date, surely the specs of these signals is governed by the specs of the micro manufacturers, and not the Simm Bus. Mind you, they have to be close to each other in order for add on chip manufacturers to be sure that their I/F device will match up with most common micros on the market. Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From radsett at attcanada.ca Thu Sep 18 10:47:11 2003 From: radsett at attcanada.ca (Robert Adsett) Date: Thu Sep 18 09:47:16 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <3F68DED2.6E27B1D9@dontronics.com> References: <3F679C16.E785B02E@dontronics.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030916103337.00acd0e0@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <3F679A86.8C571BEE@dontronics.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20030917141637.036de628@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918091346.00ad1270@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> At 08:23 AM 9/18/03 +1000, you wrote: >Bruce Boyes wrote: > > > > At 03:46 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, Robert Adsett wrote: > > >I've got a pdf outline with dimensions now and a corrected Eagle > > >library(also with the dimensions in the Measures layer). I don't want to > > >send them to the list without checking first or I could send them on to > > >you Don (or I could just keep them to myself :). > >Hi Robert, please send them to me, and I'll post them in the appropriate >spot on my pages. Thanks Don, Done. > > >Now for my next question. I suspect this hasn't been considered yet. > > > > I'd like to throw in my $.02 since we have considered all this for use with > > our JSimm products (http://www.jsimm.com). Here also is a link to our page > > of specs: > > http://jsimm.systronix.com/jsimm_data.htm > >Thanks Bruce, I knew you were lurking there somewhere. :-) > > > >What are the signal levels on the digital lines? I'm looking for a couple > > >of things, the first is whether they are CMOS or TTL compatible. > >As Bruce said, SimmStick was designed before 3.3V logic was invented. > >Re signal specs: >We can basically fit any compatible micro that has single bit I/O >addressing to a SimmStick bus. And there has been 4 SimmStick matches to >date, surely the specs of these signals is governed by the specs of the >micro manufacturers, and not the Simm Bus. Mind you, they have to be >close to each other in order for add on chip manufacturers to be sure >that their I/F device will match up with most common micros on the >market. Thanks Bruce & Don, glad to see someone else has already faced the issue. (a side note Bruce, I found your Web site unnavigable in Netscape) So what we are left with is SI,SO,D0-D15 - 5V logic, current drive/sink product specific. (3V logic voltage levels acceptable as long as they are 5V tolerant AND any connected logic uses TTL rather than CMOS input levels.) SCL,SDA - defined by Philips RES - low level reset line. Should be open drain? (I suppose any sensitive input could be diode protected) PWR - 7.5-18V, there is a 1A connector limit, any other? VDD - +5V either supplied to or by the board. I suppose the idea here is the PWR could be connected to one board and others could pick up 5V from it or systems could be built using either a regulated 5V supply or an unregulated or regulated higher voltage (say a 12 or 15V analog supply). A1-A6 - Product specific. I think this should allow any SimmStick to connect electrically with another as long as they are using TTL level inputs. I think I like the idea of placing a 1-Wire bus on pin/pad 30. Robert From asmallri at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 23:29:16 2003 From: asmallri at hotmail.com (Andrew Smallridge) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:29:22 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918091346.00ad1270@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <000201c37df1$3d296820$3401470a@apac.cisco.com> Is there a generic simmstick outline available in protel, eagle or whatever for a simmstick PCB? This would save having to reinvent the wheel everytime someone wanted to layout a new Simmstick Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: SimmStick_Group-bounces@dontronics.com > [mailto:SimmStick_Group-bounces@dontronics.com] On Behalf Of > Robert Adsett > Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 9:47 PM > To: SimmStick Group > Subject: Re: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities > > > At 08:23 AM 9/18/03 +1000, you wrote: > >Bruce Boyes wrote: > > > > > > At 03:46 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, Robert Adsett wrote: > > > >I've got a pdf outline with dimensions now and a corrected Eagle > > > >library(also with the dimensions in the Measures layer). > I don't > > > >want to send them to the list without checking first or I could > > > >send them on to you Don (or I could just keep them to myself :). > > > >Hi Robert, please send them to me, and I'll post them in the > >appropriate spot on my pages. > > Thanks Don, Done. > > > > > >Now for my next question. I suspect this hasn't been considered > > > >yet. > > > > > > I'd like to throw in my $.02 since we have considered all > this for > > > use with our JSimm products (http://www.jsimm.com). Here > also is a > > > link to our page of specs: > http://jsimm.systronix.com/jsimm_data.htm > > > >Thanks Bruce, I knew you were lurking there somewhere. :-) > > > > > >What are the signal levels on the digital lines? I'm > looking for a > > > >couple of things, the first is whether they are CMOS or TTL > > > >compatible. > > > >As Bruce said, SimmStick was designed before 3.3V logic was invented. > > > >Re signal specs: > >We can basically fit any compatible micro that has single bit I/O > >addressing to a SimmStick bus. And there has been 4 > SimmStick matches > >to date, surely the specs of these signals is governed by > the specs of > >the micro manufacturers, and not the Simm Bus. Mind you, > they have to > >be close to each other in order for add on chip manufacturers to be > >sure that their I/F device will match up with most common > micros on the > >market. > > Thanks Bruce & Don, glad to see someone else has already > faced the issue. (a side note Bruce, I found your Web site > unnavigable in Netscape) > > So what we are left with is > > SI,SO,D0-D15 - 5V logic, current drive/sink product specific. > (3V logic > voltage levels acceptable as long as they are 5V tolerant AND > any connected > logic uses TTL rather than CMOS input levels.) > > SCL,SDA - defined by Philips > > RES - low level reset line. Should be open drain? (I suppose any > sensitive input could be diode protected) > > PWR - 7.5-18V, there is a 1A connector limit, any other? > > VDD - +5V either supplied to or by the board. I suppose the > idea here is > the PWR could be connected to one board and others could pick > up 5V from it > or systems could be built using either a regulated 5V supply or an > unregulated or regulated higher voltage (say a 12 or 15V > analog supply). > > A1-A6 - Product specific. > > I think this should allow any SimmStick to connect electrically with > another as long as they are using TTL level inputs. > > I think I like the idea of placing a 1-Wire bus on pin/pad 30. > > Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > SimmStick_Group mailing list > SimmStick_Group@dontronics.com > http://dontronics.com/mailman/listinfo/simmsti> ck_group_dontronics.com > From radsett at attcanada.ca Thu Sep 18 11:58:55 2003 From: radsett at attcanada.ca (Robert Adsett) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:59:00 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <000201c37df1$3d296820$3401470a@apac.cisco.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918091346.00ad1270@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918103522.00ad4610@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> At 10:29 PM 9/18/03 +0800, you wrote: >Is there a generic simmstick outline available in protel, eagle or >whatever for a simmstick PCB? This would save having to reinvent the >wheel everytime someone wanted to layout a new Simmstick I just sent one to Don for Eagle. He may post it or you can contact me directly and I can send it to you. There are also other formats on the Dontronics web site. Robert From leon_heller at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 16:12:51 2003 From: leon_heller at hotmail.com (Leon Heller) Date: Thu Sep 18 11:12:57 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities Message-ID: >From: "Andrew Smallridge" >Reply-To: SimmStick Group >To: "'SimmStick Group'" >Subject: RE: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:16 +0800 > >Is there a generic simmstick outline available in protel, eagle or >whatever for a simmstick PCB? This would save having to reinvent the >wheel everytime someone wanted to layout a new Simmstick I've done one for Pulsonix and EasyPC. It's on Don's web site. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM Tel: +44 1424 423947 Email:leon_heller@hotmail.com My web page: http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From jay at sprucegrove.com Thu Sep 18 12:17:26 2003 From: jay at sprucegrove.com (D. Jay Newman) Date: Thu Sep 18 11:27:51 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: from "Leon Heller" at Sep 18, 2003 03:12:51 PM Message-ID: <200309181517.h8IFHQo17694@sprucegrove.com> > >Is there a generic simmstick outline available in protel, eagle or > >whatever for a simmstick PCB? This would save having to reinvent the > >wheel everytime someone wanted to layout a new Simmstick > > I've done one for Pulsonix and EasyPC. It's on Don's web site. I have an Eagle one, but I don't know where it came from. I can put it up on my web site this evening if you still want it. -- D. Jay Newman ! jay@sprucegrove.com ! Xander: Giles, don't make cave-slayer unhappy. http://enerd.ws/robots/ ! From asmallri at hotmail.com Fri Sep 19 01:46:56 2003 From: asmallri at hotmail.com (Andrew Smallridge) Date: Thu Sep 18 12:47:01 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <200309181517.h8IFHQo17694@sprucegrove.com> Message-ID: <000301c37e04$78c82f20$3401470a@apac.cisco.com> Great thanks, Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: SimmStick_Group-bounces@dontronics.com > [mailto:SimmStick_Group-bounces@dontronics.com] On Behalf Of > D. Jay Newman > Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:17 PM > To: SimmStick_Group@dontronics.com > Subject: Re: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities > > > > >Is there a generic simmstick outline available in protel, eagle or > > >whatever for a simmstick PCB? This would save having to > reinvent the > > >wheel everytime someone wanted to layout a new Simmstick > > > > I've done one for Pulsonix and EasyPC. It's on Don's web site. > > I have an Eagle one, but I don't know where it came from. I > can put it up on my web site this evening if you still want it. > -- > D. Jay Newman ! > jay@sprucegrove.com ! Xander: Giles, don't make > cave-slayer unhappy. > http://enerd.ws/robots/ ! > > _______________________________________________ > SimmStick_Group mailing list > SimmStick_Group@dontronics.com > http://dontronics.com/mailman/listinfo/simmsti> ck_group_dontronics.com > From radsett at attcanada.ca Thu Sep 18 14:21:53 2003 From: radsett at attcanada.ca (Robert Adsett) Date: Thu Sep 18 13:21:58 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <000301c37e04$78c82f20$3401470a@apac.cisco.com> References: <200309181517.h8IFHQo17694@sprucegrove.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918131538.00adc050@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> One thing, if you are using someone else's outline double check it against the specs. I know the Eagle format on Dontronics site has a few issues (pad size, through-hole locations, solder mask). That's what started this thread. It's almost always easier to double check than to try to figure out later why something doesn't seem to quite fit. Robert From support2003 at dontronics.com Fri Sep 19 06:28:38 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Thu Sep 18 15:28:52 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918091346.00ad1270@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030918103522.00ad4610@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <3F6A0766.C2329DF0@dontronics.com> Robert Adsett wrote: > I just sent one to Don for Eagle. He may post it or you can contact me > directly and I can send it to you. There are also other formats on the > Dontronics web site. > > Robert I didn't see it come through Robert. Anyone that has any SimmStick related info, drawings, specs, etc. I am more than happy to post on my site. Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From radsett at attcanada.ca Thu Sep 18 16:40:29 2003 From: radsett at attcanada.ca (Robert Adsett) Date: Thu Sep 18 15:40:34 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <3F6A0766.C2329DF0@dontronics.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918091346.00ad1270@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030918103522.00ad4610@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918153936.00addc80@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> At 05:28 AM 9/19/03 +1000, you wrote: >Robert Adsett wrote: > > > I just sent one to Don for Eagle. He may post it or you can contact me > > directly and I can send it to you. There are also other formats on the > > Dontronics web site. > > > > Robert > >I didn't see it come through Robert. Don, I just resent it, see if that gets through. Robert From support2003 at dontronics.com Fri Sep 19 06:51:33 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Thu Sep 18 15:51:47 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030918091346.00ad1270@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030918103522.00ad4610@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030918153936.00addc80@pop.ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <3F6A0CC5.A4853ACF@dontronics.com> Robert Adsett wrote: > > At 05:28 AM 9/19/03 +1000, you wrote: > >Robert Adsett wrote: > > > > > I just sent one to Don for Eagle. He may post it or you can contact me > > > directly and I can send it to you. There are also other formats on the > > > Dontronics web site. > > > > > > Robert > > > >I didn't see it come through Robert. > > Don, > > I just resent it, see if that gets through. posting it now thanks Robert. -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Fri Sep 19 07:30:27 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Thu Sep 18 16:30:44 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] StAVeR-24M32 is a microcontroller module based on an Atmel ATmega32 Message-ID: <3F6A15E3.1337604F@dontronics.com> 19-Sep-2003 StAVeR-24M32 is a microcontroller module based on an Atmel ATmega32 in a small DIP24 package with the same pin out as the Parallax Basic Stamp?, NetMedia BasicX(TM) and the BasicMicro Atom. However this DIP module doesn't have an interpreter. It needs a compiler such as a C compiler, BASIC compiler or it can be programmed directly in Assembler. Dowloading code is done via the built in RS232 interface, so no need for an external programmer. http://www.dontronics.com/staver.html -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From customfab at websurf.net Thu Sep 18 11:40:53 2003 From: customfab at websurf.net (Steve Hutson) Date: Thu Sep 18 16:41:13 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] remove me from the "new" list. Message-ID: <002b01c37e26$919abc80$023dfea9@them> I have started to get mail from you... would you remove me from whatever list is causing this to happen. Thanks, Steve Hutson customfab@websurf.net From support2003 at dontronics.com Fri Sep 19 07:49:47 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Thu Sep 18 16:49:59 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Re: SimmStick_Group Digest? References: <20030918203332.6659.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F6A1A6B.CAEB842F@dontronics.com> Bill D wrote: > > Don: > Is it possible to remain part of this list but not receive each and every > email? I realize there were problems with Yahoo, but one of the things that I > really liked was the ability to just read through the postings on the web site, > and not receive many emails each day. > > Thanks in advance, > > Bill Hi Bill and all users, yes, if you log in to your account, you can set up your options so that you receive no emails at all (good for vacation times), a daily digest, or simply just read the web pages. There seems to be enough options there to suit all cases. Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From support2003 at dontronics.com Fri Sep 19 08:18:56 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Thu Sep 18 17:19:13 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] remove me from the "new" list. References: <002b01c37e26$919abc80$023dfea9@them> Message-ID: <3F6A2140.75177763@dontronics.com> Steve Hutson wrote: > > I have started to get mail from you... would you remove me from whatever > list is causing this to happen. > > Thanks, > Steve Hutson > customfab@websurf.net that is because you subscribed to my SimmStick Group Steve, however I have removed you. here is your original subscription: 12/9/2002 3:01 am customfab@websurf.net Subscribed by gearsnwire via web Cheers Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software From asmallri at hotmail.com Fri Sep 19 07:40:47 2003 From: asmallri at hotmail.com (Andrew Smallridge) Date: Mon Sep 22 20:14:01 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities In-Reply-To: <3F6A0CC5.A4853ACF@dontronics.com> Message-ID: <000201c37e35$e72eb430$8cd247ab@apac.cisco.com> OK I must be thick. I have scoured the site and can't find the file. Any pointers? > -----Original Message----- > From: SimmStick_Group-bounces@dontronics.com > [mailto:SimmStick_Group-bounces@dontronics.com] On Behalf Of > Don McKenzie > Sent: Friday, 19 September 2003 3:52 AM > To: SimmStick Group > Subject: Re: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities > > > Robert Adsett wrote: > > > > At 05:28 AM 9/19/03 +1000, you wrote: > > >Robert Adsett wrote: > > > > > > > I just sent one to Don for Eagle. He may post it or you can > > > > contact me directly and I can send it to you. There are also > > > > other formats on the Dontronics web site. > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > >I didn't see it come through Robert. > > > > Don, > > > > I just resent it, see if that gets through. > > posting it now thanks Robert. > > -- > Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html > Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com > > USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works > http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html > The World's Largest > Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software > > > _______________________________________________ > SimmStick_Group mailing list > SimmStick_Group@dontronics.com > http://dontronics.com/mailman/listinfo/simmsti> ck_group_dontronics.com > From support2003 at dontronics.com Tue Sep 23 11:27:13 2003 From: support2003 at dontronics.com (Don McKenzie) Date: Mon Sep 22 20:27:54 2003 Subject: [SimmStick_Group] Specification Ambiguities References: <000201c37e35$e72eb430$8cd247ab@apac.cisco.com> Message-ID: <3F6F9361.A7916D55@dontronics.com> Andrew Smallridge wrote: > > OK I must be thick. I have scoured the site and can't find the file. > > Any pointers? http://www.dontronics.com/ssinfo_dg.html#pcb about a third of the way down the page. Don... -- Don McKenzie E-mail: http://www.dontronics.com/e-mail.html Home Page: http://www.dontronics.com USB 2 RS-232 Converter that works http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software